BleachOverdose
September 2nd, 2008, 02:56 AM
Something I have been thinking...I was discussing elsewhere so I will just quote what I said
No we both agreed it was backwards. He said he had no name. But kubo gave him one after he said that. It's Ogichi Ikasorak...
The incomplete mask was the signal that Ichigo and Hollow were not one and that he had no control. The complete mask means that he has subjugated his Hollow.
The Mask technically is another Zankpakuto. When he became a Viazard, by almost becoming a hollow cause his reiatsu to split..
This effected his Zankpakuto because it is a direct reflection of his Reiastu. It's shinigami powers were Dominant because he released them first. His hollow powers also had to be released but I believe it had to be released in a near-death state.
This is how Oigichi was released. This was his materialization. From then on he could come out on his own. Because Ichigo had Yet to subjugate him. He couldn't use him fully, and unlike the old man. He had the power to drive him insane. Once Ichigo went through the Vaizard training which was like Bankai training except an internal battle.
His Reiatsu could not go back to being one entity and became two separate entities/Zankapakuto's that can co-exist. since they are two halves of the same whole, one light one dark. So I believe He gained two Zankpaktou's .
One manifest itself into the form of a sword to represent the Shinigami powers he has. The other manifests itself as Hollow Mask which allows Ichigo to mimic the powers of a hollow when wearing it as well as increasing his speed and strength . Since that is the left-over by-product of his almost becoming a hollow. I don't believe the Hollow is really a Hollow so to speak. His reiastu just appears as one because of the mutation of his powers, and his appearance is closer to Ichigo because he is like a Death Mask of Ichigo. He is what a Dead Ichigo would look like... He is the dark side of Ichigo. Everyone has a bit of darkness in their hearts. White is the color for death in eastern culture not Black.
Make sense?
Ogichi came out because Ichigo choked when He saw Yammi's mask and Zankpakuto. Before that he had already been mind-f-cking Ichigo because of his fear of him. When he came out during the Yammi episode. I believe it was because of the fact he could sense Ichigo was in danger. He was berating him for not relying on him. "One day that power is gonna be mine" Doesn't sound like a threat...especially since he added. "He's the King of this world...I can't let him not win. Raise him well..."
He is a part of Ichigo, born from him. If he wanted to take over. He wouldn't have taught him how to beat him. Every time Ichigo saw him ...He learned from him. He's just does it a different way because he is the bad side. No niceties ...
Because it will kill me..
Ichigo chapter 217 "Hole in my heart. It has him and his name
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"Shirosaki Chapter 220 "King & His Horse" It to has his name. This is when KT officially named him. Oigichi Ikasoruk. Ichigo Kurosaki backwards...but that is his name. Shirosaki, Hichigo is cool but he has a name...
[/SPOILER]
Ok...quickly.
I said the Hollow was born from him. I didn't say he was born with it. He had his own powers but they were dormant. They were awakened at the same time he became a Vaizard. So his reiatsu mutated and split. "Originally Zangetsu and I were one" "We are both your power" Zangetsu is a warrior. Because he's is a part of Ichigo's consciousness. He is also his spirit power. He manifest into the form of a Shinigami's Zankpakuto because
Ichigo is a shinketsu (pure blood) so that is his original form. However when Ichigo became a Vaizard that Consciousness became two separate ones. Because one is a reflection of the Hollow/ Death/Dark side of Ichigo's spirit power. It cannot manifest as a Shinigami tool because it uses Hollow powers therefore it has to manifest as Hollow Mask so Ichigo can use it's Hollow powers.
You seem to be confused. Every human does not have hollow in them.
They can become Hollows. If your chain of fate is severed you are dead. You become a hollow one of three ways. If your chain of fate disappears, is removed or erodes completely. You become a hollow because the chain of fate is connected to your human heart. The hole is the symbol that you have lost your heart. (You become a creature of instinct Hence the animal & insect forms)
Or they are consumed by sorrow and become one of their own volition (How was never explained) Or they are attacked by Hollows and turned into one i.e Sora/ Acidwire/Orihime's brother.
I didn't say every human has Zankpakuto's nor did I say that they could devour them. Only humans with high amounts of Spirit powers and Pureblood Shinigami (Who are humanoid but not human) have the ability to produce a Zankpakuto. (Both Chad and Orihime powers are similar to both Zanks and Hollow powers. Which I believe Ichigo's mutation in his effected theirs. Chad took the Hollow side, Orihime the Shingami/Vaizard powers)
I said that since his reiastu mutated and split. Because he almost became a hollow but did not (Else he's have a hole somewhere) He just went through hollowfication but did not turn into a Hollow. He returned to being a Shinigami but not with out some side-effects. The consciousness became two beings in one. The original had control because Ichigo had not yet reached materialization with his Hollow side. Unlike with Zangetsu who he called out on his own. During his fight with Zaraki. When Ichigo was near death Zangetsu. came out on his own. Previously Ichigo had to go into his own world.
Each time Ichigo became a Shinigami he had to die.When Rukia gave her powers to Icihigo, Ichigo's natural powers began to awaken. Zangetsu existed but Ichigo could not speak to him, wasn't even aware he existed. He was still dormant.
To get him back Urahara had to kill him again (Rukia killed him first) and nearly turn him into a Hollow. (I think that was done because of the upcoming battles and Urahara knew a green Shinigami wasn't enough. I don't believe he had to turn him into a Vaizard to get it back) At that time Oigichi was born from Ichigo and Zangetsu. Since Originally he was both, just part of the collective. Ichigo met him for the first time when in Zangetsu's world. (Before Bankai training, before Materialization. It was just like when he met Zangetsu and gained his Shikai)
Then during Byakuya battle once again when Ichigo was near death and wanted to win. Ogichi came out. He materialized as a partial Hollow Mask because he is Ichigo's Hollow powers. He cannot manifest as a Shinigami tool. However he is a part of Ichigo, and he was born from his soul, from his spirit power. He is a weapon, but Ichigo can't use him unless he wears him. During the Byakuya battle because you could say... that it was like a Shikai stage. It is a Ichigo's battle instinct so he's a little crazy. Ichigo is strong willed so is his hollow side. Ichigo had not yet subjugated him like hid did with the other Zangetsu. So he couldn't control him and that made him fear him. Once he did the mask changed and he comes out but he and Ichigo are integrated so he's not a loose canon. Ichigo is kinda of emotionless when he goes Vaizard.
Each time Ichigo became a Hollow before He got control. He had to die first...
So that's what I mean by in a sense...The Mask is really another Zankpakuto. One that allows the wearer to use or mimic Hollow powers. (May even be a form that's half Hollow-Shingami)
If you noticed the Original Bankai outfit was Black and White because it was and integration of him and Zangetsu. It's like they become one. Now the Hollow has become a part of the collective consciousness. So now his outfit has the red for the Hollow side...
Damn that wasn't quick at all..:p
e
So what do you think?
No we both agreed it was backwards. He said he had no name. But kubo gave him one after he said that. It's Ogichi Ikasorak...
The incomplete mask was the signal that Ichigo and Hollow were not one and that he had no control. The complete mask means that he has subjugated his Hollow.
The Mask technically is another Zankpakuto. When he became a Viazard, by almost becoming a hollow cause his reiatsu to split..
This effected his Zankpakuto because it is a direct reflection of his Reiastu. It's shinigami powers were Dominant because he released them first. His hollow powers also had to be released but I believe it had to be released in a near-death state.
This is how Oigichi was released. This was his materialization. From then on he could come out on his own. Because Ichigo had Yet to subjugate him. He couldn't use him fully, and unlike the old man. He had the power to drive him insane. Once Ichigo went through the Vaizard training which was like Bankai training except an internal battle.
His Reiatsu could not go back to being one entity and became two separate entities/Zankapakuto's that can co-exist. since they are two halves of the same whole, one light one dark. So I believe He gained two Zankpaktou's .
One manifest itself into the form of a sword to represent the Shinigami powers he has. The other manifests itself as Hollow Mask which allows Ichigo to mimic the powers of a hollow when wearing it as well as increasing his speed and strength . Since that is the left-over by-product of his almost becoming a hollow. I don't believe the Hollow is really a Hollow so to speak. His reiastu just appears as one because of the mutation of his powers, and his appearance is closer to Ichigo because he is like a Death Mask of Ichigo. He is what a Dead Ichigo would look like... He is the dark side of Ichigo. Everyone has a bit of darkness in their hearts. White is the color for death in eastern culture not Black.
Make sense?
Ogichi came out because Ichigo choked when He saw Yammi's mask and Zankpakuto. Before that he had already been mind-f-cking Ichigo because of his fear of him. When he came out during the Yammi episode. I believe it was because of the fact he could sense Ichigo was in danger. He was berating him for not relying on him. "One day that power is gonna be mine" Doesn't sound like a threat...especially since he added. "He's the King of this world...I can't let him not win. Raise him well..."
He is a part of Ichigo, born from him. If he wanted to take over. He wouldn't have taught him how to beat him. Every time Ichigo saw him ...He learned from him. He's just does it a different way because he is the bad side. No niceties ...
Because it will kill me..
Ichigo chapter 217 "Hole in my heart. It has him and his name
[/SPOILER]
"Shirosaki Chapter 220 "King & His Horse" It to has his name. This is when KT officially named him. Oigichi Ikasoruk. Ichigo Kurosaki backwards...but that is his name. Shirosaki, Hichigo is cool but he has a name...
[/SPOILER]
Ok...quickly.
I said the Hollow was born from him. I didn't say he was born with it. He had his own powers but they were dormant. They were awakened at the same time he became a Vaizard. So his reiatsu mutated and split. "Originally Zangetsu and I were one" "We are both your power" Zangetsu is a warrior. Because he's is a part of Ichigo's consciousness. He is also his spirit power. He manifest into the form of a Shinigami's Zankpakuto because
Ichigo is a shinketsu (pure blood) so that is his original form. However when Ichigo became a Vaizard that Consciousness became two separate ones. Because one is a reflection of the Hollow/ Death/Dark side of Ichigo's spirit power. It cannot manifest as a Shinigami tool because it uses Hollow powers therefore it has to manifest as Hollow Mask so Ichigo can use it's Hollow powers.
You seem to be confused. Every human does not have hollow in them.
They can become Hollows. If your chain of fate is severed you are dead. You become a hollow one of three ways. If your chain of fate disappears, is removed or erodes completely. You become a hollow because the chain of fate is connected to your human heart. The hole is the symbol that you have lost your heart. (You become a creature of instinct Hence the animal & insect forms)
Or they are consumed by sorrow and become one of their own volition (How was never explained) Or they are attacked by Hollows and turned into one i.e Sora/ Acidwire/Orihime's brother.
I didn't say every human has Zankpakuto's nor did I say that they could devour them. Only humans with high amounts of Spirit powers and Pureblood Shinigami (Who are humanoid but not human) have the ability to produce a Zankpakuto. (Both Chad and Orihime powers are similar to both Zanks and Hollow powers. Which I believe Ichigo's mutation in his effected theirs. Chad took the Hollow side, Orihime the Shingami/Vaizard powers)
I said that since his reiastu mutated and split. Because he almost became a hollow but did not (Else he's have a hole somewhere) He just went through hollowfication but did not turn into a Hollow. He returned to being a Shinigami but not with out some side-effects. The consciousness became two beings in one. The original had control because Ichigo had not yet reached materialization with his Hollow side. Unlike with Zangetsu who he called out on his own. During his fight with Zaraki. When Ichigo was near death Zangetsu. came out on his own. Previously Ichigo had to go into his own world.
Each time Ichigo became a Shinigami he had to die.When Rukia gave her powers to Icihigo, Ichigo's natural powers began to awaken. Zangetsu existed but Ichigo could not speak to him, wasn't even aware he existed. He was still dormant.
To get him back Urahara had to kill him again (Rukia killed him first) and nearly turn him into a Hollow. (I think that was done because of the upcoming battles and Urahara knew a green Shinigami wasn't enough. I don't believe he had to turn him into a Vaizard to get it back) At that time Oigichi was born from Ichigo and Zangetsu. Since Originally he was both, just part of the collective. Ichigo met him for the first time when in Zangetsu's world. (Before Bankai training, before Materialization. It was just like when he met Zangetsu and gained his Shikai)
Then during Byakuya battle once again when Ichigo was near death and wanted to win. Ogichi came out. He materialized as a partial Hollow Mask because he is Ichigo's Hollow powers. He cannot manifest as a Shinigami tool. However he is a part of Ichigo, and he was born from his soul, from his spirit power. He is a weapon, but Ichigo can't use him unless he wears him. During the Byakuya battle because you could say... that it was like a Shikai stage. It is a Ichigo's battle instinct so he's a little crazy. Ichigo is strong willed so is his hollow side. Ichigo had not yet subjugated him like hid did with the other Zangetsu. So he couldn't control him and that made him fear him. Once he did the mask changed and he comes out but he and Ichigo are integrated so he's not a loose canon. Ichigo is kinda of emotionless when he goes Vaizard.
Each time Ichigo became a Hollow before He got control. He had to die first...
So that's what I mean by in a sense...The Mask is really another Zankpakuto. One that allows the wearer to use or mimic Hollow powers. (May even be a form that's half Hollow-Shingami)
If you noticed the Original Bankai outfit was Black and White because it was and integration of him and Zangetsu. It's like they become one. Now the Hollow has become a part of the collective consciousness. So now his outfit has the red for the Hollow side...
Damn that wasn't quick at all..:p
e
So what do you think?