Databook Information! Bleach Captains Power Graph (DISSCUSION THREAD)

[BleachOverdose]

This is the discussion thread for the captain powergraphs.

So what do you think?

[Achilles]

surprising... I'd expect more from kenpachi..

[Alpha]

SHOOT. O_O
From what I understood, Unohana > Byakuya?! O.o
Omg. >_>
Or am I gravely mistaken? xD;;

And I expected more from Gin! He was almost on an equal level with Hitsugaya when they had a battle! Besides, he's on Aizen's side after all.. I thought he'd be more 'powerful'.. sorta.. >__>

[BleachOverdose]

No ...It seems Unohana is a bad ass. Maybe that's why she was included in this arc

A lot of people are disappointed in Gin's ranks

I was surprised...blows away all my theories....I am disappointed too in Gins ranks and Zaraki's

But it proves Aizen is second or on par with Yama-ji

[HollowG/B]

Not to sounds like a like I don't believe the info but I have to see it in the anime to prove this. That is my "proof".

[Achilles]

No ...It seems Unohana is a bad ass
maybe that's the reason why Aizen didn't fight with her when they were in c46 room in SS.

[Pixyteri]

This..actually does not surprise me, particularly with Mayuri and Kenpachi. Mayuri's a scientist, he works through his intellect and not his combat power. Kenpachi..though he loves to fight, he doesn't seem to have much power or resolve, so to put it. I wish I could think of an example that's lingering in my head.

Unohana's did surprise me, but I can easily see it. It's just, ya know, I haven't seen much of her in the anime/manga, so yeah.

Very cool! :D

[kirinelf]

Unohana deserves that. I subconsciously marked her down just because she was a healer, but I also know that healers can be the most bad-ass of them all, mostly because your life hangs in THEIR hands. Another reason for her incredible stats might be because as head of the Healing Division, she needs to be in the most battle-profilic areas to heal the most severely wounded, and she can't do nothing if she can't survive. And in a battle, to survive is to kill.

[Lemonachi]

Thanks for posting them and adding the different ways to rank their power!

I always knew she had it in her somewhere haha by the way she was able to intimidate all of the other members!
Hmm... and I never knew Histugaya and Ukitake were kind of close in power as well.


The imageshack links don't seem to be working since the abbreviated link
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doesn't show up with the full link when I click it. Maybe it's just me.

Edit: It doesn't really matter haha since they're already all posted

[BleachOverdose]

Thanks for posting them and adding the different ways to rank their power!

I always knew she had it in her somewhere haha by the way she was able to intimidate all of the other members!
Hmm... and I never knew Histugaya and Ukitake were kind of close in power as well.


The imageshack links don't seem to be working since the abbreviated link
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doesn't show up with the full link when I click it. Maybe it's just me. Here is new thread...I created this is not the dicussion thread ...View them all and the stats. Databook Information! Bleach Captains Power Graph (http://bleachboards.com/showthread.php?t=453)

[KnighTime]

Nothing really surpised me from this. In the end, it doesn't matter how powerful you are. If you have strategy, you can usually beat anyone (not always though). This explains why Zaraki was able to defeat two captains who were aparently stronger than him.

[BleachOverdose]

I think Tousen was fronting and meant to let Zaraki win...

[Zentari]

I think Tousen was fronting and meant to let Zaraki win...
Doubtful.While Zaraki lacks WAY too much in the kidou department ,if it comes to raw power he's a real beast.Plus we recently saw what he can do with both hands.....

[KnighTime]

Yeah, I don't think Tousen was fronting either. I think he meant to kill Zaraki that day, but was overmatched with Zaraki's will and strength.

Also, I thought that Kyouraku and Ukitake would be more powerful than that. I mean they were trained by Yamamoto himself and were his first students. They both faced him that day (Though I don't remember if they held their own or if they were whipped).

[Vahn]

Well, Kyouraku had quite amazing stats, I just underestimated him because of his laziness. Ukitake's stats would be befitting of a captain who is usually quite ill, and doesn't have the body to support a powerful fighter. I never really saw Zaraki to be all that powerful, I just think his power centers around his will to fight, or possibly his bloodlust, rather than skill or strength. Ever tried to fight a crazy guy with a knife? They could be tons weaker than you and have absolutely no skill, but if you don't watch out, you're dead.

[Genosuke]

Well, Kyouraku had quite amazing stats, I just underestimated him because of his laziness. Ukitake's stats would be befitting of a captain who is usually quite ill, and doesn't have the body to support a powerful fighter. I never really saw Zaraki to be all that powerful, I just think his power centers around his will to fight, or possibly his bloodlust, rather than skill or strength. Ever tried to fight a crazy guy with a knife? They could be tons weaker than you and have absolutely no skill, but if you don't watch out, you're dead.

But Zaraki has no knife plus he has battle tactics plus he has experience plus He isn't afraid to die, well only the fight vs noi he was like "I can't let my little kitten to keep worried about me so the fun is over".

[kirinelf]

He actually acknowledged that:

If he had continued fighting Nnoitra like he usually did, he might end up dying.

[Zentari]

He actually acknowledged that:

If he had continued fighting Nnoitra like he usually did, he might end up dying.
And what did he do to fix that?He just used both hands.....

[kirinelf]

I was replying to Genosuke. But I'd like to ask, what the hell was that supposed to achieve? Ichigo uses both hands to fight whenever he's in Shikai. >_> It's nothing big, especially if you're using a hand and a half sword, which can be wielded both one-handed and two handed. >_> They acted like it was a huge revelation or something.

[KnighTime]

Because Zaraki was trained in the form of Kenpo. Anyone can use both hands. BUT you have to be able to use kenpo while using both hands

[kirinelf]

Kenpo or Kendo? O_O And he wasn't professionally trained, all he learnt was that using both hands to swing down a sword would increase the power of the strike.

[Zentari]

I was replying to Genosuke. But I'd like to ask, what the hell was that supposed to achieve? Ichigo uses both hands to fight whenever he's in Shikai. >_> It's nothing big, especially if you're using a hand and a half sword, which can be wielded both one-handed and two handed. >_> They acted like it was a huge revelation or something.
Well ,considering that it was the first time we saw him doing that , I accept that it IS a revelation.Hell you have to admit that the only way we could think out for him was if he pulled out a shikai.As for him not being properly trained, we do not know.For all we know he could have mastered it.

[Vahn]

I still won't take Zaraki seriously until he has at least a shikai, which may never happen anyway. His true power isn't real strength, but in psychology.

[Zentari]

I still won't take Zaraki seriously until he has at least a shikai, which may never happen anyway. His true power isn't real strength, but in psychology.
......Are you blind or didn't you read the databook.All his combat skills except the ones related to kidou are at max.And hell ,even if it is psychology ,as long as he kicks ass ,it's all the same to me.

[Vahn]

I did read them, and 2 areas were maxed, 1 was high, 2 were low to moderate, and kidou was nothing. Basically, he has physical ability, but, relying purely on that is wekaness in itself. His accuracy isn't great either. Hitsugaya is levels above him. He's got close to the same physical ability, but having very good kidou, he's got a complete upper hand

[Zentari]

I did read them, and 2 areas were maxed, 1 was high, 2 were low to moderate, and kidou was nothing. Basically, he has physical ability, but, relying purely on that is wekaness in itself. His accuracy isn't great either.

Oups ,didn't notice the one for accuracy.Still , not taking him seriously because of that sounds idiotic to me.


Hitsugaya is levels above him. He's got close to the same physical ability, but having very good kidou, he's got a complete upper hand
Hitsu is WHAT above him?
1st:Hitsu is inexperienced.2nd:his bankai consumes WAY too much reiatsu. 3rd.If you look purely at the stats and compare the icebrat to gin,he comes on top.Yet Gin was still playing him for a fool.Stats are one thing , not everything.

[Vahn]

not everything, but they are the base. His bankai does take up a lot of reiatsu, but it is a mixture of kidou and physical, which plays to his well balanced strengths. Not to mention that Hitsugaya has higher accuracy. They have equal speed. The ability to use kidou shouldn't be underestimated either. Just because we haven't seen much as far as kidou spells, you can't forget the kidou based attacks, like Hyourinmaru's dragon attacks. Like in most rpgs, it's when magic and physical ability are well mixed that you get the strongest characters. A pure combat type like Zaraki doesn't stand much against a strong kidou attack. By no means am I saying that Hitsu is strongest, because that's far from the truth, just pointing out that if he is stronger, then you can't really hold zaraki that high.

[Zentari]

just pointing out that if he is stronger, then you can't really hold zaraki that high.
The problem with this is that he ISN'T stronger.Inexperience and reiatsu consumption kinda destroy him.Add to that the fact that Zaraki swings harder (even though he can't dodge that well) and you'll see why any comparison between them is moot.That is without taking into account Zaraki's <<psychology>> ....

Granted , kidou IS a glaring weakness but still kidou didn't save Tousen's ass ,did it?Nor byakuya's (though at critical moments it WAS used to do damage /hinder the opponent).....

[KnighTime]

Yet Gin was still playing him for a fool

Gin used another person's life in that fight between Hitsugaya. If it was just them and no one else, would that fight have been different?

[Genosuke]

Gin used another person's life in that fight between Hitsugaya. If it was just them and no one else, would that fight have been different?

Maybe but if Matsumoto didn't show Hinamori and Hitsugaya could be dead right now. (or maybe hinamori and gin but the inexperience and getting the feelings got in your way are a handicap).

about the graph it only show us the level in their stats but no how they have mastered, by now for that we saw we can say Kempachi is (probably with Yamamoto) the mos experienced warrior, Yamamoto is like the legenday heroe that has grow old, Byakuya is like the crazy spell caster how cannot be taken down until he drains his mana, Tousen is like the first boss in a rpg all mighty and powerful until you noticed that he is only the final boss pet, bla bla bla ... I'm too lazy to continue

[kirinelf]

From that fight, Hitsugaya actually had the upper hand. O_O

[Genosuke]

From that fight, Hitsugaya actually had the upper hand. O_O

But everything was like gin planned until matsumoto shows herselft saving hinamori

[kirinelf]

He COULD'VE been playing Hitsu for a fool, I wouldn't be surprised, but if Hinamori hadn't been there to be a human target, would he have won? If it was just Gin and Hitsugaya?

[Genosuke]

He COULD'VE been playing Hitsu for a fool, I wouldn't be surprised, but if Hinamori hadn't been there to be a human target, would he have won? If it was just Gin and Hitsugaya?

Ok don't be mad at me, Gin actually would won that fight if we think carefully, Hitsugaya is the most younger and the nost naive plus inexperienced captain and gin has a what he lacks plus his char is well rounded so I can say that experience, ability and stats are the factors that would allow Gin achieve his victory over hitsugaya.

[kirinelf]

Oh, I'm not mad. ^^ I'm just trying to look at the overall picture.

Hyourinmaru is the most powerful ice/water zanpakutou in Soul Society. I don't think even Gin can do much if his arm is entirely encased in ice. With his chain, Hitsugaya can probably wrap him in ice before he could retaliate, especially if he uses his Shikai to distract him with the dragon while he sneaks around from the back.

And Gin strikes me as someone who relies on his environment to fight. Distractions and the like. In a straight one on one battle on a bare field, I don't think he can be THAT good. Good enough to be Captain, sure, but not THAT good.

[Genosuke]

Oh, I'm not mad. ^^ I'm just trying to look at the overall picture.

Hyourinmaru is the most powerful ice/water zanpakutou in Soul Society. I don't think even Gin can do much if his arm is entirely encased in ice. With his chain, Hitsugaya can probably wrap him in ice before he could retaliate, especially if he uses his Shikai to distract him with the dragon while he sneaks around from the back.

And Gin strikes me as someone who relies on his environment to fight. Distractions and the like. In a straight one on one battle on a bare field, I don't think he can be THAT good. Good enough to be Captain, sure, but not THAT good.

I know, however it's something that we are not going to see anymore because a bet that hitsugaya is going to die (dam kubo this must happen or else i going to be in troubles) by Aizen's hands in the next battle maybe hinamori apears in that fight and realizes how wrong she was.

By the way, what do you think of Unohana, isn't she the kind of healer that can use Holy in his enemies dealing a lot of damage in a single blow.

[kirinelf]

I'm not so sure he will die, but knowing KT (Or not knowing him, w/e), he might. I'm also not sure whether or not Hinamori'll come to her senses.

Unohana I see as the kind of healer who, like your FF reference, has an incredible fighting ability up her (considerable >=D) sleeves. For one thing, like I stated above, she is the head of the Healing Division, and as such, has to take care of the most grievous wounds. The worst wounds happen on the frontlines, where the fighting's the fiercest. You do the math. ^^

[Genosuke]

Yamamoto, Ukitake, Shunsui, Unohana and Kempachi are the oldest captains in SS. Is more likely they are the strongest shinigamis.